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those blips are solid they're good and

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solid

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[Laughter]

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that's me just rocking and rolling

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hopefully you don't mind it

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sometimes you got to do that i was in

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that kind of mood

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looks like i'm wearing like my dark sith

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robe today but really it's just a black

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button down with hood on it so

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don't worry

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everything's normal so today we are

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going to have a pretty cool show usually

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we bring on jay and we have a guest but

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turns out people don't want to talk to

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we're just going to talk to each other

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and i look forward to that because uh

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jay's a fantastic person so

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um

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we're gonna bring him on as soon as he

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looks at me

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and yep okay he's ready all right is

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everybody ready here he comes

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there he is okay oh what's up buddy

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how's it going good

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it's not that nobody wants to talk to us

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there's plenty of people to talk to we

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just it's not what i hear i got i got

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sick there was

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like um you were working on your dark

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sith studies

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and uh you know and you were rocking and

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rolling with uh you're awesome

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so

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what are you gonna do man that's cool

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we'll we'll have more guests on soon

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there's a bunch of people in the mix for

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that

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i love the intro by the way oh yeah it's

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kind of kind of more of a driving rock

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tune than uh the normal you know see i

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was just gonna have this shirt but you

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can it starts becoming like see-through

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i'm going through a traversable wormhole

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or something like you're going through a

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traversable wormhole yeah man

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look you're gonna yeah you got like an

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equator thing happening with the where

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you got a eclipse thing happening with

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should we should do we should do a show

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sometimes it's just like a best of your

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intros

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yeah i have that in the can actually i

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have it all edited and everything

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oh boy

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we should get number 100 we should do it

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at like like a mystery science three

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theater 3000 kind of gig where we where

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we'd like talk over the trailers while

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they happen and we point out

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um i like the um is there any uap news

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there is uap news though what is it i i

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did want to mention how cool i thought

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it was that in the skinwalker song that

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you had last week you put xylophone in

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it yeah and i thought that was a really

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nice touch you know um nobody

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you know when you think about having a

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creepy skinwalker song like people don't

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really think you know about xylophones

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automatically go in there people that

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kind of independent thinking mind it's

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important right well i'm trying to you

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know kind of surprise you like let's say

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you're walking around skinwalker ranch

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beaver tail that kind of surprised where

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yeah just trying to be weird so yeah you

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so what's uh what do we got uh in the

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uap news bracket we have it's pretty

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interesting that the

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uh the whole asap papers and the thirds

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uh via like uh public press so a few

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people have not liked it a lot of people

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have liked it um

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and apparently it's even going to be

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like tucker carlson tonight i've heard

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is going to talk about the biological

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which you know i don't like to bring in

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the politics

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if you ask me about the guy and it has

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nothing to do with this i'm gonna tell

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i'm changing the channel and that's a

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nice way of putting it

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but you know he's talking about this so

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you know i'll probably watch it for

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better for worse

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but um

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i'm also hearing stuff about like some

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of this was actually old old news

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um i'm not really sure if that's uh the

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truth or not do you know by chance

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i mean in terms of in terms of the durds

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themselves i mean some of them some of

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gosh upwards of about

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three or four years ago i think were the

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first ones that i saw leaked

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but i think that i think that it what

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happens is and george knapp was it was

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um and kind of

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partially i think because he's so close

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to uh

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you know people like colin and bob

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bigelow that um it's it's it's not

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surprising that he would have been able

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to leak a document like that if it were

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to be of interest um and

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though i think that it it certainly

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i think we launched new anita kazoo

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thanks scott yeah um

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hello yeah yeah yeah your internet uh

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popped up for a second but

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we got you i'm here though okay cool so

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i think but i think that it

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it having the foia actually process and

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having them actually release through the

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foi process has definitely given it like

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a new level where it kind of reaches re

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yeah it reaches above sea level in a way

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in terms of credibility that it didn't

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have before so

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and i think that what we're seeing here

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possibly i was i was talking a little

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bit with our our good friend baptiste um

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our good french

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uh friend baptiste about this earlier

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today and

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without going into detail about what he

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said but there you know there are kind

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of conversations where it's like

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why is like the daily mirror publishing

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it right now right

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when you think about people i saw even

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earlier today that nick pope was on news

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nation

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seemingly probably getting his talking

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points together to go on to tucker

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carlson tonight i wouldn't be surprised

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if he showed up you know what i mean

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it's kind of weird by the way we got to

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start throwing in some uh substitutes

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you know like switch it up a bit

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that's what it was exactly complaining

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about like an hour ago i was like look

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i'm surprised they need somebody else to

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like switch in a couple of those

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thoughts because at this point it's like

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if there's going to be aoi msg talking

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points if there's going to be like

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pentagon

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susan goff talking points

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it's like oh it's going to be nick pope

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nick pope's the guy it's like isn't

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there like a younger

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don't you have anybody else like that

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there's any ageism going on here you

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know no or no but like you know

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isn't there like a cool woman you could

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find that could be doing these talking

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points just like do like maybe like half

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of them every once in a while you could

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bounce in and out with nick pope and

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somebody else christine i don't know

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that would be great

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uh i mean i mean but like i feel like

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she has a more independent mind than

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nick pope does i feel like nick oh you

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well i could just go with a robot

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go too far down the road of uh

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identifying yeah

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give us the trash talk

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i just don't think like i'm just

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look man i just remember when they were

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office was like no we can take care of

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it trust us it'll be fine trust us we

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i remember that nick pope had had was

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practically before the story even broke

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that it was happening and and

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you know i too think we should trust our

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you know the the kind of like

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news guy on the simpsons routine you

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there are a lot of people that don't

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trust those kinds of lines it's time to

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that's that's that's all i got to say

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you know there's plenty of people who

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i'm sure would love to do that to just

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you know reach outside of that box a

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little bit and pick somebody

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yeah for god's sakes so that's about it

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but we you know speaking on the thirds

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which i got a pretty interesting comment

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yesterday from a friend of show

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he apparently likes when i do

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talk dirty

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i thought that was pretty funny

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the ird why yeah

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that's right we absolutely do

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and uh

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and this one was um and this one happens

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to have been written by a

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a guy named dr eric davis now you

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wouldn't know that necessarily if you

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if you got the foia version because his

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name is actually redacted from the foid

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version however

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previous versions that have leaked out

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have his name like this one does right

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right and um

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it's a fantastic document it's really

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interesting and of course this was

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written back in the area around

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2008-2009 and so

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and so there have been

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it's um bob mcguire was pointing out to

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me earlier today that that um

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advances in the field that have that

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have happened since this paper was

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written but as we recall you know these

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these papers were commissioned

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these 38 papers were commissioned

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um to ostensibly the stated reason was

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to imagine our technology 50 years out

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and then kind of like look ahead to the

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next step within all of these fields

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that

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were

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you could term as being potential

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observables

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with

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ufology and the paranormal in general

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and with regard to exotic propulsion and

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things like this and so eric

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um who you know um

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we know from uh leslie kane and ralph

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blumenthal's

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uh

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their i think their third new york times

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article in their series um

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you know mentioned eric davis and had

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a quote about how he had briefed members

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of congress

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uh about a potential crash retrieval

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situation

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and uh yeah so anyway you know the guy

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the guy works for aerospace corporation

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it's down there in huntsville

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as i recall and uh you know it's you put

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two and two together the guys were

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writing wormhole articles and he's

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briefing members of congress about crash

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retrievals

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it's an interesting you know those are

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interesting kind of breadcrumbs to put

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together

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yeah and he's he's proposed stuff

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as part of workshops for nasa i know you

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know what's interesting is he actually

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did a pretty interesting interview with

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the basement office and i had the host

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of that show on here a while back and

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and we did an interview and he told me

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that eric davis off camera flatly told

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him that uh he thinks it's aliens

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yeah

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you know it was like that kind of person

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uh who you know puts papers together

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like this

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um does amazing work is obviously

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brilliant

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is sitting here

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saying that

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you know like

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now i know you know what does that mean

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you know it could mean a lot of

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different things but just the fact that

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he's saying that apparently he's

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briefing people on off-world vehicles

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like

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it's amazing to me how uh you know a lot

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of that just goes over people's heads

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like that should be

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you know people always talk about

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disclosure it's like well i mean you

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don't

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about disclosure

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because you're getting it you know

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um but people just ask for more it's not

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enough right so yeah or we have yeah

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it's it's difficult because we get these

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great you know we we tend to on on this

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show and just the way that we talk to

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each other and the people that we

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associate with generally try to focus on

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the positive of these situations and

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and it's easy

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when you're not on twitter it's easy to

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forget

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that there are people that make it their

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business to try to find

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uh problems and virtually everything

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right yeah whether that's true if if

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it's a slow news week they're gonna

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they're gonna complain about how it's a

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slow news week if you if you if you get

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the the crazy if you get the wild asap

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dirts about traversable wormholes like

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released through a foia they're gonna

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complain about that too

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and you know there's yeah there's this

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wait where's the proof they're

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traversable

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right

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that's what i want to know prove it

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prove it

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yeah

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there's these wormholes but nobody ever

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proved that they were traversable

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so right yeah and and what eric davis

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even says within the paper is that you

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know we don't know how to do this

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ourselves yet but there are

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you know tantalizing possibilities here

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right yeah you know he he's got some

384
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really fun charts in here on

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on on

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page five i think it is as you're going

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down like he he does mention how

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one of the earliest proposed versions of

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a wormhole um famously was

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this

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uh the idea of wormhole partially came

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out of of something that they were

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talking about back in the day about some

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something that eventually became known

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as an einstein rosen bridge

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and

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eric davis takes pains to point out that

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that we would have to use

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seemingly a different kind of method

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um

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to

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the

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rosenware were looking at was something

404
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that wouldn't probably work in terms of

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us getting getting through one or not

406
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right um but yeah we've got these we've

407
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got these fun charts that are really

408
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helpful

409
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um some of them

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if you

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zoom through here where is it paige

412
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it's pretty intense because if you

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realize what we're talking about here

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00:16:18,949 --> 00:16:16,959
it's talking about interstellar travel

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we're talking about making actual

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spaceships

417
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you know like that we see in sci-fi

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movies and people have been working on

419
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interstellar travel for a while and it's

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always the propulsion that seems to kind

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of

422
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uh hamper things for them

423
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um and it seems like the more i look

424
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into this this sort of theory is the one

425
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everyone is gravitating towards these

426
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days it's but most especially things

427
00:16:47,030 --> 00:16:44,800
like the cashmere effect i'm not sure if

428
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that's involved with this or not

429
00:16:50,710 --> 00:16:48,320
um

430
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but yeah it's pretty interesting

431
00:16:54,550 --> 00:16:53,199
yeah and i mean to kind of take a few

432
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steps back and look at the bigger

433
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picture the one of the reasons why this

434
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um

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is a fruitful

436
00:17:03,990 --> 00:17:02,160
field of study

437
00:17:06,549 --> 00:17:04,000
for some is because of course there's

438
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been the long-standing debate among a

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lot of people recognizing that

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even if we

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light speed

442
00:17:21,990 --> 00:17:19,439
possible then we then it's going to take

443
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forever to get anywhere anywhere decent

444
00:17:27,350 --> 00:17:24,959
right yeah and and even just to the next

445
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solar system will take an obscenely long

446
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time and so finding something like this

447
00:17:37,590 --> 00:17:34,480
um makes makes those

448
00:17:38,870 --> 00:17:37,600
old old rules irrelevant yeah partially

449
00:17:40,070 --> 00:17:38,880
you know and this was a talking point

450
00:17:41,270 --> 00:17:40,080
back in the blue book days this was

451
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something that people talked about all

452
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the time because they're like oh aliens

453
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they can't be here it's impossible

454
00:17:49,669 --> 00:17:48,000
because because even if

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they could travel at the speed of light

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which was at that point was

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inconceivably fast

458
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that um that it would take them 100 000

459
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years to get here or whatever

460
00:18:02,310 --> 00:18:00,880
number got thrown out given whatever

461
00:18:03,830 --> 00:18:02,320
star system

462
00:18:06,390 --> 00:18:03,840
they were proposed to be coming from

463
00:18:09,110 --> 00:18:06,400
right so it's important to keep that in

464
00:18:11,270 --> 00:18:09,120
mind when looking at this in terms of of

465
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what could be the fruitful thing

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even when they

467
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would look at the idea of aliens coming

468
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here like blue book they actually did a

469
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couple

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um hypothetical studies well what what

471
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would they use and they would have to

472
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use you know at that point the

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technology we knew existed which was

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rocket propelled basically

475
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and so because of that yeah like he said

476
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oh can't happen it's impossible but it's

477
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so interesting because here we are we

478
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have someone pretty much figuring this

479
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out right

480
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um

481
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pretty much as far as you can take it at

482
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this point

483
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um and then we talk about these other

484
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beings and how far ahead

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they are

486
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from us uh

487
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you know their tech

488
00:18:57,909 --> 00:18:55,600
we've heard like 100 years thousand

489
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years or whatever so you put that in

490
00:19:06,230 --> 00:19:03,430
maybe things are a little more possible

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in all sorts of realms

492
00:19:14,230 --> 00:19:10,640
uh absolutely

493
00:19:16,310 --> 00:19:14,240
absolutely and um and not to jump the

494
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gun here too much but

495
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i mean one of one of the things that

496
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that um and again like i'm not an eric

497
00:19:26,390 --> 00:19:25,360
davis you know i'm more i'm more

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like

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green paper but not

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you know

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00:19:37,430 --> 00:19:36,000
it's thrown out here

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00:19:40,070 --> 00:19:37,440
bio effects

503
00:19:41,830 --> 00:19:40,080
yeah but um but

504
00:19:44,470 --> 00:19:41,840
one of the things that he points out and

505
00:19:46,230 --> 00:19:44,480
so you am i the best person to analyze

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00:19:47,750 --> 00:19:46,240
this paper certainly not we're just

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taking it together and it's a way to

508
00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:49,840
have a conversation but you know one of

509
00:19:54,150 --> 00:19:51,200
the things that he's talking about here

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is and this is so true of many of many

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situations where one of the one of the

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00:20:01,190 --> 00:19:59,360
things that he's talking about is how

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um we'd have

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with the with

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00:20:07,669 --> 00:20:05,200
the method that he was a proposing here

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or a method that he was proposing here

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um we would have to make enormous

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00:20:13,750 --> 00:20:12,880
quantities of of this

519
00:20:16,950 --> 00:20:13,760
this

520
00:20:19,510 --> 00:20:16,960
what's called negative energy all right

521
00:20:21,350 --> 00:20:19,520
and it it falls into one of these like

522
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really difficult things to to think

523
00:20:25,430 --> 00:20:23,360
about but when it

524
00:20:27,590 --> 00:20:25,440
what it really comes down to is that

525
00:20:30,310 --> 00:20:27,600
there are so many methods of propulsion

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plasma propulsion things like this and

527
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and in terms of of

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where it comes down to

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00:20:39,909 --> 00:20:37,440
how can we make

530
00:20:41,430 --> 00:20:39,919
like an obscene i love this chart i love

531
00:20:42,870 --> 00:20:41,440
this chart i want to come back to this

532
00:20:45,430 --> 00:20:42,880
right in one second

533
00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:45,440
um because if

534
00:20:49,029 --> 00:20:47,039
there are so many

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00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:49,039
aspects in science where people say like

536
00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:51,440
yadda yadda yeah you know you know we

537
00:20:54,630 --> 00:20:52,799
could do it but

538
00:20:56,789 --> 00:20:54,640
it'll probably never happen because the

539
00:20:58,470 --> 00:20:56,799
amount of energy we'd we'd have to

540
00:21:00,870 --> 00:20:58,480
produce to be able to do that is

541
00:21:02,310 --> 00:21:00,880
inconceivable or we know the actual

542
00:21:04,470 --> 00:21:02,320
amount but that just seems like

543
00:21:06,230 --> 00:21:04,480
something that we can't do but in a lot

544
00:21:08,789 --> 00:21:06,240
of ways that's a very short-term

545
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:08,799
thinking situation right because look at

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00:21:14,549 --> 00:21:12,480
the amount of of power that just over

547
00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:14,559
the course of the last 100 years like

548
00:21:17,990 --> 00:21:16,400
what we've been able to develop in terms

549
00:21:19,909 --> 00:21:18,000
of energy generation and things like

550
00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:19,919
this and then you know as things speed

551
00:21:24,789 --> 00:21:22,480
up who knows but i love i love this

552
00:21:27,190 --> 00:21:24,799
chart okay first of all people i

553
00:21:28,789 --> 00:21:27,200
remember when this paper first leaked

554
00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:28,799
some people were looking through here

555
00:21:33,830 --> 00:21:31,120
and they're like this guy's a joke what

556
00:21:34,630 --> 00:21:33,840
kind of serious scientist would have

557
00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:34,640
a

558
00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:57,600
you seen this guy's tie collection

559
00:22:02,710 --> 00:21:59,760
you know like this guy

560
00:22:03,669 --> 00:22:02,720
it's fantastic the guy is you know

561
00:22:10,149 --> 00:22:03,679
there's

562
00:22:12,549 --> 00:22:10,159
okay and it's eccentric geniuses all

563
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:12,559
right like if you find a boring genius

564
00:22:16,950 --> 00:22:15,120
show them to me because like and

565
00:22:18,789 --> 00:22:16,960
not to cut you off here but i mean i

566
00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:18,799
think we found

567
00:22:24,549 --> 00:22:22,640
um you know how uh crazy things may be

568
00:22:27,029 --> 00:22:24,559
coming into our space i mean what is

569
00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:27,039
that that's a dino

570
00:22:32,789 --> 00:22:29,200
sewer

571
00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:32,799
yeah exactly yeah dino i mean

572
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:36,870
right so

573
00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:38,400
you know there's more to it than we

574
00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:40,000
thought right i mean i know it's just a

575
00:22:44,070 --> 00:22:42,960
drawing but uh it's kind of uh painting

576
00:22:45,510 --> 00:22:44,080
a picture

577
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:45,520
so right

578
00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:48,240
so flat face wormhole or stargate which

579
00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:50,480
is also hypersurface would not distort

580
00:22:54,630 --> 00:22:52,559
the mirror image of the remote space

581
00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:54,640
region or other universe seen through it

582
00:22:58,549 --> 00:22:56,240
because the negative surface energy

583
00:23:00,789 --> 00:22:58,559
density and negative surface tensions of

584
00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:00,799
the exotic matter threading its throat

585
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:03,200
is zero as seen and felt by light and

586
00:23:07,990 --> 00:23:05,520
matter passing through it

587
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:08,000
and it'll say recall equation four

588
00:23:11,029 --> 00:23:09,360
that's what i thought he would go with

589
00:23:13,029 --> 00:23:11,039
and you're familiar with equation four

590
00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:13,039
we can get into that right

591
00:23:16,500 --> 00:23:15,360
oh totally absolutely no so why don't

592
00:23:19,350 --> 00:23:16,510
you take the lead

593
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:19,360
[Laughter]

594
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:21,840
i mean but if we if the basically what

595
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:23,600
it comes down to is if we skip all the

596
00:23:28,630 --> 00:23:25,440
way to the conclusion way at the end

597
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:28,640
right and it says the way forward right

598
00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:29,520
um

599
00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:31,600
and so

600
00:23:34,830 --> 00:23:33,520
so basically we're talking about he's

601
00:23:37,990 --> 00:23:34,840
talking about how

602
00:23:39,909 --> 00:23:38,000
the the potentialities for this kind of

603
00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:39,919
first came about with some with some

604
00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:42,720
seed discoveries back in the 1890s

605
00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:44,640
and then saying that a game changer

606
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:46,000
changer may appear that could

607
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:47,679
dramatically accelerate or alter the

608
00:23:50,950 --> 00:23:49,440
direction of an experimental traversable

609
00:23:52,870 --> 00:23:50,960
wormhole program

610
00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:52,880
such in a game changer could entail new

611
00:23:57,029 --> 00:23:54,480
physics that is predicted by a complete

612
00:23:59,430 --> 00:23:57,039
comprehensive quantum gravity theory or

613
00:24:02,470 --> 00:23:59,440
quantum gravity theory that is a subset

614
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:02,480
of larger unified field theory

615
00:24:07,190 --> 00:24:05,039
the new field of and this is kind of a

616
00:24:09,029 --> 00:24:07,200
key here the new field of emergent

617
00:24:11,669 --> 00:24:09,039
space-time gravity suggests that

618
00:24:13,990 --> 00:24:11,679
gravitation is not a fundamental force

619
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:14,000
of nature because among many other

620
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:17,039
considerations of its extreme weakness

621
00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:19,679
relative to the other forces of nature

622
00:24:23,350 --> 00:24:21,760
and since this paper was written that's

623
00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:23,360
been something that has really become a

624
00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:26,000
dominant theme and interesting in some

625
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:28,960
form of yeah absolutely in terms of you

626
00:24:35,590 --> 00:24:32,080
know how fundamental is gravity and what

627
00:24:37,269 --> 00:24:35,600
and why is gravity so weak and basically

628
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:37,279
essentially that there is

629
00:24:42,149 --> 00:24:39,600
people admit you know that there is a

630
00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:42,159
lot about gravity that we don't actually

631
00:24:45,750 --> 00:24:44,320
fundamentally understand and it seems to

632
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:45,760
point at

633
00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:47,600
maybe two different

634
00:24:52,789 --> 00:24:50,080
types of gravity or a non-fundamental

635
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:52,799
nature of gravity and so maybe he was

636
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:54,960
tipping a hat towards something that may

637
00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:57,200
have been privately known yeah here it

638
00:24:59,269 --> 00:24:58,000
is

639
00:25:04,070 --> 00:24:59,279
yeah

640
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:06,870
you know especially the the the

641
00:25:12,830 --> 00:25:08,880
we there's a lot we don't realize about

642
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:12,840
the the gravity um of the situation

643
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:16,080
yeah yeah and again if i if we're

644
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:17,760
murdering a couple of these points in

645
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:21,120
terms of uh please feel free to to to

646
00:25:25,269 --> 00:25:23,360
tell us in the chat or troll us on

647
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:25,279
twitter or whatever we're just um we're

648
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:27,440
just two bumbling guys looking through

649
00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:29,360
docks and trying to figure stuff out

650
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:30,720
ourselves right

651
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:33,279
a couple of cats bumbling through decks

652
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:34,799
but one of the things that's really

653
00:25:38,950 --> 00:25:36,640
interesting about this is that you know

654
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:38,960
there there is a new documentary coming

655
00:25:43,990 --> 00:25:41,360
up right uh coming up the first week of

656
00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:44,000
may and um

657
00:25:49,029 --> 00:25:46,240
and it's it's a really

658
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:49,039
interesting situation you know there's

659
00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:51,120
it's the uapx team

660
00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:52,960
that trailer just came out

661
00:25:56,549 --> 00:25:54,720
i think it was two days ago

662
00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:56,559
the trailer came out and there had been

663
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:58,080
kind of private

664
00:26:03,029 --> 00:26:00,640
there had been private um

665
00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:03,039
uh rumblings about this for a while but

666
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:05,200
people were kind of told to keep quiet

667
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:07,039
about it and so you can see from this

668
00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:09,120
picture here this is from the trailer

669
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:10,320
this is from the trailer that was

670
00:26:14,390 --> 00:26:11,760
released the other day

671
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:14,400
okay what was that a movie called again

672
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:16,880
it's called a tear in the sky and it's

673
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:18,960
coming out the first week of may

674
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:21,440
and carolyn corey is kind of one of the

675
00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:23,440
co-hosts and they got william shatner in

676
00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:26,080
there um they kind of really it seems

677
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:27,679
that they really juiced it up in terms

678
00:26:30,789 --> 00:26:29,520
of making it look as much kind of like a

679
00:26:33,510 --> 00:26:30,799
history channel

680
00:26:35,510 --> 00:26:33,520
program as possible in a lot of ways um

681
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:35,520
yeah i don't i don't know how close to a

682
00:26:40,470 --> 00:26:36,799
production it is in terms of the

683
00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:40,480
production company but essentially

684
00:26:46,149 --> 00:26:43,760
they they took three teams

685
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:46,159
and it was largely uapx that did this

686
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:48,000
okay and so you can see here that they

687
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:50,080
are triangulating an area with three

688
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:52,880
teams that had pretty sophisticated

689
00:26:57,190 --> 00:26:55,120
equipment fleur fleur cameras things

690
00:26:59,269 --> 00:26:57,200
like this and they were pointing towards

691
00:27:01,590 --> 00:26:59,279
the area around what you see in the

692
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:01,600
bottom left which is catalina island

693
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:03,760
which is long rumored to be

694
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:05,520
a

695
00:27:28,389 --> 00:27:24,960
i believe it's five nights or so

696
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:28,399
and um and uh they hit pay dirt

697
00:27:33,029 --> 00:27:30,720
apparently um they even in the trailer

698
00:27:36,149 --> 00:27:33,039
they talked about they it seems that

699
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:36,159
they've got some tic tacs on camera um

700
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:39,279
from multiple viewpoints it sounds like

701
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:42,000
and not only that if you skip over to

702
00:27:46,149 --> 00:27:44,640
one of the other pictures here it's it's

703
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:46,159
what the the

704
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:49,120
the um the title is yeah there you go

705
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:51,279
you see there's this kind of

706
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:53,440
there it says up here wormhole like

707
00:27:57,190 --> 00:27:55,679
anomaly okay

708
00:27:58,870 --> 00:27:57,200
and uh

709
00:28:00,149 --> 00:27:58,880
and um

710
00:28:02,230 --> 00:28:00,159
word on this

711
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:02,240
i i don't want to speak too much because

712
00:28:06,549 --> 00:28:03,600
like i don't want to connect the dots

713
00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:06,559
too much but they got tic tacs and they

714
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:09,440
got a wormhole like anomaly

715
00:28:13,269 --> 00:28:11,279
they got tic-tacs and they got a

716
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:13,279
wormhole-like anomaly

717
00:28:16,870 --> 00:28:14,799
i don't want to say any more about

718
00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:16,880
because i i guess i'm not supposed to

719
00:28:21,269 --> 00:28:19,600
but um if you flip to one i think i gave

720
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:21,279
you one other picture but maybe it's not

721
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:24,080
in there but but essentially it seems

722
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:26,640
that that they may have grabbed a

723
00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:28,640
quote-unquote tear in the sky

724
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:29,520
um

725
00:28:36,149 --> 00:28:32,080
that is being used by

726
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:36,159
by uh craft to possibly get in and out

727
00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:39,200
of our kind of local area right isn't

728
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:41,679
that i mean and isn't that the thing

729
00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:42,880
like

730
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:45,200
you know it's always uh you know whether

731
00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:47,760
it's radar sightings or or this or that

732
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:49,360
it's always how do these things leave

733
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:50,080
and

734
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:53,039
you know you hit the testimony of

735
00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:54,640
whether it's the pilots chasing them or

736
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:56,159
whoever and it's

737
00:28:59,750 --> 00:28:58,320
uh we were looking for you know we were

738
00:29:01,909 --> 00:28:59,760
chasing them we were vectored towards

739
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:01,919
them and okay so what happened it just

740
00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:03,520
disappeared

741
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:05,600
you know like what do you what do you

742
00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:11,269
yeah

743
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:12,399
sit and

744
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:14,640
keep going yeah no and it's just

745
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:16,640
interesting because all this stuff seems

746
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:19,919
to be coming together more or less um

747
00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:22,799
you know as as far as

748
00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:24,720
how they're doing this there you go you

749
00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:27,120
know yeah there you go so this is this

750
00:29:30,870 --> 00:29:28,640
was kind of a screen grab again this is

751
00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:30,880
just from the trailer um so anybody can

752
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:32,559
find this over on youtube and maybe we

753
00:29:36,310 --> 00:29:33,760
can throw a link in the show notes or

754
00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:36,320
something like that but um it certainly

755
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:37,840
looks like there's something odd going

756
00:29:42,389 --> 00:29:40,080
on there and it seem and not only that

757
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:42,399
but i think more to the point

758
00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:44,159
you know in one of those other pictures

759
00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:46,080
here they were looking at

760
00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:47,360
they were looking at what they were

761
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:50,080
looking at from multiple viewpoints

762
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:53,360
and from multiple types of gear right so

763
00:29:56,789 --> 00:29:54,640
they were looking

764
00:29:58,789 --> 00:29:56,799
and so there it seemed that they were

765
00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:58,799
doing the best they could to to come

766
00:30:02,470 --> 00:30:01,039
from several different angles in terms

767
00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:02,480
of detection

768
00:30:05,669 --> 00:30:03,600
right

769
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:05,679
and so you know i think it'll be

770
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:07,360
interesting in the days ahead obviously

771
00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:09,120
we don't know all the information about

772
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:10,960
this case and i'm sure that

773
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:12,720
no matter what happens

774
00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:14,640
some people will be really psyched about

775
00:30:17,350 --> 00:30:16,080
it and some people will be super

776
00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:17,360
disappointed about it but it's

777
00:30:20,230 --> 00:30:18,640
definitely going to be a story that

778
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:20,240
we're going to be hearing about more in

779
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:22,399
the weeks to come i mean and that's kind

780
00:30:26,549 --> 00:30:24,960
of always you know in the past at least

781
00:30:28,470 --> 00:30:26,559
has been the issue with these sort of

782
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:28,480
things whether it be

783
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:31,120
you know um for instance the skinwalker

784
00:30:36,070 --> 00:30:34,080
show or you know bob lazar documentary

785
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:36,080
or whatever like people get very excited

786
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:38,960
about this stuff um it comes time for

787
00:30:43,669 --> 00:30:41,200
you for it to come out it comes out and

788
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:43,679
you know people are

789
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:45,120
just like oh

790
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:47,279
yeah that was cool i guess you know and

791
00:30:52,470 --> 00:30:48,960
here we are waiting for the next thing

792
00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:52,480
to come and people just want that one

793
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:54,559
you know that with that one that knocks

794
00:30:58,230 --> 00:30:56,159
it out of the park

795
00:30:59,909 --> 00:30:58,240
but i think it's also important to talk

796
00:31:01,909 --> 00:30:59,919
about what does that mean

797
00:31:04,149 --> 00:31:01,919
you know what does that look like what

798
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:04,159
is that one you know what's that one

799
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:06,480
that will uh knock out out of the park

800
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:08,640
not only for you but people you know

801
00:31:12,149 --> 00:31:10,559
and and i think

802
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:12,159
you know it's pretty agreeable for

803
00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:14,320
everybody to say if there is some sort

804
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:16,080
of evidence of

805
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:19,600
of you know an anomalous vehicle from

806
00:31:24,149 --> 00:31:22,080
that's on video from different

807
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:24,159
points of view with different data

808
00:31:28,389 --> 00:31:26,159
points that all line up to explain the

809
00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:28,399
same thing that data is accessible to

810
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:30,640
everybody everybody can you know make

811
00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:33,200
sense of what it is and what it means

812
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:35,519
you know where it doesn't need as

813
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:37,840
a billion different translators to to

814
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:40,000
break it down to you you know like

815
00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:42,640
something that's just uh palatable and

816
00:31:47,669 --> 00:31:44,559
understandable um

817
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:47,679
you know um and not uh baby steps at a

818
00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:48,559
time

819
00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:50,880
you know so you know you have to rent

820
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:53,840
see you know the next dvd or

821
00:31:58,470 --> 00:31:56,159
you know see the next documentary like

822
00:31:59,909 --> 00:31:58,480
um because that all kind of plays in the

823
00:32:02,310 --> 00:31:59,919
same pattern we've seen throughout

824
00:32:03,269 --> 00:32:02,320
ufology for so long right

825
00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:03,279
absolutely

826
00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:04,640
so it's

827
00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:06,880
and you know and people say that this

828
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:10,640
could be it uabx or this documentary and

829
00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:13,440
i'm always going to you know

830
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:15,840
hope that it is

831
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:16,880
you know

832
00:32:21,190 --> 00:32:18,320
of course

833
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:21,200
um and but we'll see how it goes i feel

834
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:22,960
like the build-up and how this has all

835
00:32:26,470 --> 00:32:25,200
been going over the last few years we're

836
00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:26,480
gonna get to

837
00:32:31,029 --> 00:32:29,120
that point you know and it feels like

838
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:31,039
it's coming sooner than later but that's

839
00:32:35,190 --> 00:32:32,720
just a feeling

840
00:32:37,269 --> 00:32:35,200
yeah and and this is all and i think

841
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:37,279
those are all good points and and i

842
00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:38,960
think it's important to remember that it

843
00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:40,000
you know

844
00:32:43,830 --> 00:32:41,279
along the lines of what you're saying

845
00:32:45,909 --> 00:32:43,840
it's it's it's inevitably going to be

846
00:32:48,870 --> 00:32:45,919
more like a constellation

847
00:32:51,029 --> 00:32:48,880
of events and a constellation of cases

848
00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:51,039
that are really going to galvanize

849
00:32:55,830 --> 00:32:53,200
people in general you know because some

850
00:32:56,710 --> 00:32:55,840
people they they only care if there's

851
00:33:00,870 --> 00:32:56,720
like

852
00:33:02,789 --> 00:33:00,880
case right there are some people that

853
00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:02,799
are gonna get totally turned on by that

854
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:03,760
you know they're just gonna

855
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:05,360
automatically gravitate towards that

856
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:08,640
kind of a case you know uh my aunt kathy

857
00:33:11,669 --> 00:33:10,320
not one of those people you know what i

858
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:11,679
mean there's always going to be other

859
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:12,880
people that

860
00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:14,159
that they they're going to be more

861
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:16,000
interested in

862
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:18,720
you know the human element or they're

863
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:20,720
going to be more interested in and

864
00:33:23,590 --> 00:33:21,600
whether

865
00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:23,600
if something ever happened to them or

866
00:33:28,389 --> 00:33:26,559
not sure and and so

867
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:28,399
you know one of the things that i really

868
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:31,919
appreciate about say for example column

869
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:34,799
column kelleher and asap and nids and

870
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:37,360
that whole constellation of of people

871
00:33:40,149 --> 00:33:39,360
that we were talking about and talking

872
00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:40,159
with

873
00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:42,880
last week is that you know they

874
00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:43,840
that

875
00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:49,120
looking at for decades now which is is

876
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:51,360
trying to make the bigger picture

877
00:33:56,549 --> 00:33:53,760
because to some people

878
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:56,559
they'll be like oh ufos or bs however i

879
00:34:00,149 --> 00:33:58,080
do know that poltergeists are true

880
00:34:02,310 --> 00:34:00,159
because you know my neighbor had one or

881
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:02,320
something right or whatever

882
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:03,760
and then if you can find these

883
00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:05,519
connections between these these

884
00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:08,399
different arenas areas and show how

885
00:34:11,109 --> 00:34:09,679
possibly

886
00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:11,119
that there might be some connection

887
00:34:15,669 --> 00:34:13,440
there then then it gives a little bit

888
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:15,679
more sway to those people that might

889
00:34:19,909 --> 00:34:17,760
think about one field and not the other

890
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:19,919
within with regard to anomalous

891
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:22,399
phenomena right right right

892
00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:24,720
and and we're talking about you know i

893
00:34:29,109 --> 00:34:27,040
always go back to um

894
00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:29,119
uh john mack when it comes to this like

895
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:30,879
um whatever it is

896
00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:34,560
um for it to be accepted needs to um you

897
00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:35,679
know

898
00:34:40,389 --> 00:34:39,440
a title wave of a different world view

899
00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:40,399
and

900
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:42,240
you know needs to come with it that's

901
00:34:46,069 --> 00:34:44,159
how we'll know it is

902
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:46,079
what it is right

903
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:48,399
like it'll be something that's agreeable

904
00:34:51,909 --> 00:34:50,480
to anybody who looks at it pretty much

905
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:51,919
but

906
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:54,240
you know because he can have you know

907
00:34:58,069 --> 00:34:56,000
yes it's different for everybody but if

908
00:35:01,109 --> 00:34:58,079
you like myself i have my personal

909
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:01,119
experience if i see that video that's

910
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:02,800
corroborated with the data or whatever

911
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:04,880
that connects to that experience

912
00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:08,160
man that would be amazing you know um

913
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:09,359
but do you think

914
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:12,000
people would buy whatever it is they see

915
00:35:16,230 --> 00:35:13,440
on a screen

916
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:16,240
without experiencing it themselves no

917
00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:18,560
whatever it is you know

918
00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:21,040
i don't know i think yeah i think i

919
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:23,200
think there are some people that

920
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:26,240
have been so trained into

921
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:27,200
um

922
00:35:32,470 --> 00:35:30,160
cgi and visual propaganda and how that's

923
00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:32,480
been used and manipulated over the

924
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:34,400
course of the last years that for some

925
00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:36,480
people something they see on tv is never

926
00:35:42,870 --> 00:35:37,599
gonna

927
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:42,880
many no matter how many michio kaku's or

928
00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:44,400
no matter how many

929
00:35:49,109 --> 00:35:46,960
if you bring back stephen hawking or you

930
00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:49,119
know or

931
00:35:53,589 --> 00:35:51,520
or any figure from the bible somehow

932
00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:53,599
through some miracle you still won't get

933
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:55,920
that yeah but this is freaking moses one

934
00:36:01,750 --> 00:35:59,760
he was 600 years old and they're like

935
00:36:04,069 --> 00:36:01,760
that doesn't look like the moses that i

936
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:04,079
saw in my church no

937
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:05,680
no that's not right

938
00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:13,190
that's funny um yeah so

939
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:15,520
that's it's interesting to think about

940
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:19,440
and then to think about you know um

941
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:21,040
will we even be able to get there you

942
00:36:25,109 --> 00:36:23,680
know will we survive to get to a point

943
00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:25,119
to experience

944
00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:29,359
some sort of uh overwhelming um you know

945
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:31,599
change in world view or disclosure

946
00:36:33,620 --> 00:36:33,280
whatever you want to call it

947
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:33,630
um

948
00:36:38,069 --> 00:36:34,800
[Music]

949
00:36:40,950 --> 00:36:38,079
you know because as this ramps up we see

950
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:40,960
you know world conflict ramping up

951
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:42,560
and and other things

952
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:44,400
and it's absolutely you know it's

953
00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:45,760
something a part of me thinks it's no

954
00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:47,920
coincidence like what's the deal you

955
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:48,800
know

956
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:50,640
a lot of people think that and a lot of

957
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:53,359
people that are very you know sane

958
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:55,680
individuals i mean it's hard to not see

959
00:37:02,390 --> 00:36:59,119
that that this that there's been

960
00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:02,400
at the very least it's impossible to to

961
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:03,760
to

962
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:08,640
push away you know on one hand

963
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:10,400
there has been more

964
00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:13,440
disclosure you know since the 2017

965
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:15,040
uh new york times article on the one

966
00:37:19,109 --> 00:37:17,200
side right that absolutely has happened

967
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:19,119
and since then there's been increasing

968
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:20,640
amounts of that with people like

969
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:23,040
elizondo and colin keller and chris

970
00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:24,560
millen and all the other stuff then on

971
00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:26,079
the other hand you have the part where

972
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:28,240
it's like gosh you know

973
00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:30,000
california wildfires that's like a whole

974
00:37:34,470 --> 00:37:32,320
nother season somewhere between summer

975
00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:34,480
and fall now and yeah

976
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:35,680
you know and then we have these world

977
00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:37,440
conflicts happening and it's it's

978
00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:38,800
difficult to

979
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:40,480
and you can act like they're not tied

980
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:41,920
together and maybe they're not you know

981
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:43,440
maybe they don't have anything to do

982
00:37:48,069 --> 00:37:46,160
with each other but you know it's

983
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:48,079
can you imagine going back in time and

984
00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:50,000
telling somebody like donald kehoe or

985
00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:51,920
whatever like okay it's gonna happen but

986
00:37:55,109 --> 00:37:53,280
you know um

987
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:55,119
there's gonna be aspects about that that

988
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:56,800
are gonna be kind of inconvenient it's

989
00:38:02,310 --> 00:37:58,320
always gonna be kind of like the third

990
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:02,320
story because uh yeah you know yeah no i

991
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:03,359
hear you

992
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:05,359
yeah and that's that's

993
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:07,040
that's kind of interesting too because

994
00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:08,880
it you know a lot of people talk about

995
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:10,560
uh how

996
00:38:14,950 --> 00:38:12,960
you know i think it was even like what

997
00:38:16,829 --> 00:38:14,960
ronald reagan or whatever in his speech

998
00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:16,839
like um how the world would come

999
00:38:22,069 --> 00:38:20,640
together in in the face of uh

1000
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:22,079
you know another

1001
00:38:25,990 --> 00:38:24,880
alien race coming here whatever

1002
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:26,000
um

1003
00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:26,800
yeah

1004
00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:29,440
and it's you know and we see almost like

1005
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:31,680
the desire the need for us to come

1006
00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:32,400
together

1007
00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:33,680
at some point

1008
00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:34,960
um

1009
00:38:38,470 --> 00:38:36,960
at some point soon right let's take a

1010
00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:38,480
sec to say

1011
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:40,880
uh thank you to everybody in the chat

1012
00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:43,440
right absolutely thanks everybody for

1013
00:38:48,069 --> 00:38:45,440
being here we've got some real all-stars

1014
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:48,079
we've got benji i see john davies over

1015
00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:49,040
here

1016
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:52,160
uh sir psych and andres

1017
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:53,040
uh

1018
00:38:56,390 --> 00:38:54,480
victor

1019
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:56,400
uh he's great

1020
00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:57,839
joss

1021
00:39:02,630 --> 00:39:00,640
all sorts of folks over here laura

1022
00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:02,640
wonderful people continuing the

1023
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:04,160
conversation over here which is

1024
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:07,200
absolutely wonderful to see yeah

1025
00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:08,720
i really appreciate everyone being here

1026
00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:10,480
and being so kind in the chat

1027
00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:13,280
and being nice to each other that is

1028
00:39:16,470 --> 00:39:14,480
super important

1029
00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:16,480
uh when that falls apart everything else

1030
00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:18,320
does and there's so much bullcrap going

1031
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:20,560
on in the world that um

1032
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:23,839
it pays to be polite when you can right

1033
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:25,040
when you have enough emotional

1034
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:26,960
intelligence to do that

1035
00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:29,680
absolutely and it isn't always easy

1036
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:31,680
yeah and it it could be the thing that

1037
00:39:35,349 --> 00:39:34,560
helps get us through

1038
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:35,359
this

1039
00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:37,599
like all of these wild stories and all

1040
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:39,040
these wild events that we have in front

1041
00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:41,440
of us right having compassion and love

1042
00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:42,640
for each other

1043
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:44,240
uh and being able to deal with each

1044
00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:46,560
other as civilly as possible

1045
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:48,560
yeah super important right

1046
00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:50,400
yeah and it's not always easy right

1047
00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:52,400
because we have those situations where

1048
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:54,640
people still even in this community seem

1049
00:40:00,790 --> 00:39:57,599
to be making fun of anything

1050
00:40:02,150 --> 00:40:00,800
you know that comes our way and it's so

1051
00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:02,160
um

1052
00:40:08,069 --> 00:40:04,240
it's so

1053
00:40:09,430 --> 00:40:08,079
uh trite at this point right um

1054
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:09,440
what you know

1055
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:11,680
making someone who who believes in

1056
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:13,280
something like this or

1057
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:16,000
at least is curious or someone who's had

1058
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:17,200
an experience

1059
00:40:21,030 --> 00:40:19,040
making them feel like less of a person

1060
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:21,040
for it you know

1061
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:23,280
and right and and and that's just like

1062
00:40:27,190 --> 00:40:25,520
we've had enough of that right

1063
00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:27,200
absolutely

1064
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:28,240
so

1065
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:31,440
it's it's tough because it still happens

1066
00:40:35,829 --> 00:40:33,839
yep and as we've said before you know

1067
00:40:38,230 --> 00:40:35,839
you can do it because you have a need

1068
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:38,240
kindness in you you can also normally

1069
00:40:42,309 --> 00:40:39,920
normalize want to normalize these

1070
00:40:44,790 --> 00:40:42,319
conversations because you realize that

1071
00:40:46,309 --> 00:40:44,800
that you're not getting all the data if

1072
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:46,319
you if you're making people feel

1073
00:40:49,270 --> 00:40:48,000
uncomfortable they're not going to talk

1074
00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:49,280
about what they know

1075
00:40:53,589 --> 00:40:50,720
right or what they've experienced or

1076
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:53,599
what they've seen and what have you you

1077
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:55,520
know and you know it was pointed out

1078
00:40:57,750 --> 00:40:56,800
earlier that

1079
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:57,760
um

1080
00:41:01,430 --> 00:40:59,680
i don't know that i should say by who

1081
00:41:04,309 --> 00:41:01,440
but you know there's there's this

1082
00:41:06,309 --> 00:41:04,319
there's this idea that that

1083
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:06,319
the reason why some of these stories are

1084
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:07,920
getting planted in places like the sun

1085
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:10,079
and stuff like that is because there is

1086
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:12,640
it's still this weird tactic of trying

1087
00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:13,760
to

1088
00:41:17,510 --> 00:41:15,280
smear

1089
00:41:20,630 --> 00:41:17,520
this topic by throwing it into more like

1090
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:20,640
tabloid oriented papers so that yeah so

1091
00:41:25,589 --> 00:41:23,680
that so that so that respectable people

1092
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:25,599
don't pursue this stuff but i don't i

1093
00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:26,880
just don't think that that's really

1094
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:28,160
going to be something that's going to be

1095
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:29,920
working in the days ahead because there

1096
00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:32,560
there are honest intellectually curious

1097
00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:34,400
people that have been turned onto this

1098
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:36,640
topic you know i heard diana pasoka

1099
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:38,160
talking about this just a few weeks ago

1100
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:40,079
there's there's so many academics that

1101
00:41:43,829 --> 00:41:42,240
are getting turned on to this stuff and

1102
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:43,839
so even if you don't need the whole

1103
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:46,400
pentagon to be on board because you have

1104
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:48,400
all these other people that are just

1105
00:41:52,390 --> 00:41:50,400
also paid money to think about things in

1106
00:41:54,390 --> 00:41:52,400
their own way in their own

1107
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:54,400
right in their in their in within

1108
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:56,400
physics or within anthropology or all

1109
00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:59,440
these other fields that do have a tie to

1110
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:00,160
to

1111
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:08,560
you know our place in the greater cosmos

1112
00:42:13,270 --> 00:42:11,200
the fabric of reality like what field

1113
00:42:16,710 --> 00:42:13,280
doesn't touch upon these things right

1114
00:42:19,030 --> 00:42:16,720
yeah that's true you know um and

1115
00:42:21,030 --> 00:42:19,040
also in this field like

1116
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:21,040
you know some people

1117
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:23,280
who i try to stay away from who claim to

1118
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:25,520
know what this is and what's going

1119
00:42:30,150 --> 00:42:27,760
and what's going on right

1120
00:42:32,069 --> 00:42:30,160
there are those but aside from that like

1121
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:32,079
this this topic

1122
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:34,160
um is something that will be new pretty

1123
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:36,720
much for everybody at the same time you

1124
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:38,720
know which is so interesting

1125
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:40,960
because it won't be

1126
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:42,720
you know like um

1127
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:45,520
you know any converting to a belief of

1128
00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:47,280
any sort of religion or anything like

1129
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:49,359
that it'll be this new thing all at once

1130
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:52,240
that everybody has to grapple with in in

1131
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:54,240
um try to understand kind of at the same

1132
00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:55,760
time more or less but

1133
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:57,599
um you know i'm glad that i'm i'm

1134
00:43:01,589 --> 00:43:00,000
sitting next to people like you uh right

1135
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:01,599
now because

1136
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:05,440
um endearing caring intelligent um

1137
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:07,440
thoughtful and

1138
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:10,240
um i'm just appreciative um to to be

1139
00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:12,960
surrounded by that right now so oh man

1140
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:15,359
we got a whole community and you know

1141
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:16,800
there's a guy named josh in the chat

1142
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:18,240
that was just talking about how we just

1143
00:43:22,150 --> 00:43:20,400
need to ignore these people and i think

1144
00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:22,160
we generally do a pretty good job of

1145
00:43:25,589 --> 00:43:24,560
that you know the more toxic aspects of

1146
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:25,599
the field

1147
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:27,599
um so it's it's i think that it's

1148
00:43:32,069 --> 00:43:30,079
important to just every once in a while

1149
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:32,079
maybe acknowledge that they happen you

1150
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:33,599
know that there's that part of the

1151
00:43:40,230 --> 00:43:36,720
debate because i think a lot of people

1152
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:40,240
are get discouraged when they try to to

1153
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:41,599
to get online and have these

1154
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:43,839
conversations and then they see so much

1155
00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:46,000
toxic stuff and so right it's important

1156
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:47,200
it's i think it's important to

1157
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:49,440
acknowledge like we see that too and we

1158
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:50,960
know that we definitely know that that

1159
00:43:56,309 --> 00:43:53,280
stuff is out there and we're just doing

1160
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:56,319
our best to to try to to focus on the

1161
00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:57,119
work

1162
00:44:01,589 --> 00:43:59,040
and not on the personalities and things

1163
00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:01,599
like that yeah and some days you'll be

1164
00:44:06,790 --> 00:44:03,280
better than others right

1165
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:06,800
absolutely absolutely yeah let's move on

1166
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:09,839
to the you know i labeled a classic case

1167
00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:11,760
but maybe i should have labeled it it

1168
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:15,359
should be a classic case this case

1169
00:44:21,670 --> 00:44:18,160
is very interesting um it takes place in

1170
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:21,680
1949 february

1171
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:24,720
in sandberg pass california

1172
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:26,560
pretty interesting because we have a

1173
00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:28,319
pilot

1174
00:44:32,309 --> 00:44:30,720
who's basically uh first lieutenant

1175
00:44:34,550 --> 00:44:32,319
pilot of the air force i'm just reading

1176
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:34,560
from it here

1177
00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:37,040
and he went on a round-robin flight

1178
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:39,920
we have two uh witnesses by the way

1179
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:42,400
um california to los angeles in return

1180
00:44:47,349 --> 00:44:44,880
reported he was circled by jet propelled

1181
00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:47,359
blimp which uh were very common then by

1182
00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:50,560
the way only 600 miles per hour um the

1183
00:44:56,790 --> 00:44:53,520
thing is uh this person was actually

1184
00:44:58,390 --> 00:44:56,800
i believe um transferring

1185
00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:58,400
like um

1186
00:45:04,309 --> 00:45:00,800
um prisoners or something

1187
00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:04,319
and was also

1188
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:06,160
like going to be in a bowling tournament

1189
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:11,430
which is a hilarious thing he goes on

1190
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:12,720
this flight

1191
00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:16,720
um and sees this big blimp looking thing

1192
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:18,560
that he says with jet propelled or

1193
00:45:21,910 --> 00:45:19,599
whatever

1194
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:21,920
um and did maneuvers like right over the

1195
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:23,920
top of his head whether it be 180

1196
00:45:29,589 --> 00:45:27,119
degrees or a 360 degree maneuver

1197
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:29,599
the passenger uh pilot

1198
00:45:32,790 --> 00:45:31,119
oddly enough

1199
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:32,800
didn't see anything which is pretty

1200
00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:35,200
interesting and the other witness was a

1201
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:37,760
arts uh like an art school student

1202
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:39,119
so

1203
00:45:44,829 --> 00:45:40,800
um

1204
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:44,839
it's pretty interesting to me mostly

1205
00:45:49,510 --> 00:45:47,280
because you know they they called it a

1206
00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:49,520
mirage right

1207
00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:51,119
that that's what they wanted

1208
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:54,880
uh calling it and to me it's just so

1209
00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:56,640
indicative of

1210
00:46:01,270 --> 00:45:58,960
how this has gone for so long if it's

1211
00:46:03,670 --> 00:46:01,280
something that doesn't make sense

1212
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:03,680
it's fake it's not real

1213
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:06,000
right and it's a very and it's a very

1214
00:46:09,670 --> 00:46:08,160
concrete description you know we've got

1215
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:09,680
you know it's 20

1216
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:12,160
20 degrees above the flight path that

1217
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:14,480
they were on you know it does it does

1218
00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:17,520
this 360 move in about 40 seconds as

1219
00:46:22,230 --> 00:46:19,839
from what i saw it seemed to be going

1220
00:46:24,069 --> 00:46:22,240
maybe 600 miles now okay and if we're

1221
00:46:25,990 --> 00:46:24,079
talking 600 miles an hour is that what

1222
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:26,000
we're talking about like yeah

1223
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:28,970
what blimp goes 600 miles an hour now

1224
00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:30,400
[Laughter]

1225
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:32,000
much less than

1226
00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:35,200
you know 70 years ago 70 plus 73 years

1227
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:36,160
ago

1228
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:40,800
a 600 mile an hour

1229
00:46:44,950 --> 00:46:43,680
rocket rocket rocket boosted blimp

1230
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:44,960
right

1231
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:47,680
amazing now this you i always see this

1232
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:49,599
too which is so interesting like the the

1233
00:46:53,589 --> 00:46:51,359
people who are investigating these they

1234
00:46:55,750 --> 00:46:53,599
talk about the the witnesses right and

1235
00:46:57,750 --> 00:46:55,760
they always have to speak to their um

1236
00:46:59,910 --> 00:46:57,760
you know their character and here we

1237
00:47:01,670 --> 00:46:59,920
have the the second witness uh it was

1238
00:47:03,589 --> 00:47:01,680
another lieutenant but it was a student

1239
00:47:06,150 --> 00:47:03,599
of industrial arts at fresno state

1240
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:06,160
teachers college um they wrote appeared

1241
00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:08,560
to be an earnest young man rather quiet

1242
00:47:12,309 --> 00:47:10,720
and reserved with no particular aptitude

1243
00:47:15,270 --> 00:47:12,319
for self-expression

1244
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:15,280
he is yeah which is not very nice but he

1245
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:18,160
is regarded as sober and respectable and

1246
00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:20,000
enjoys a good reputation among his

1247
00:47:23,910 --> 00:47:22,319
associates in the school in the opinion

1248
00:47:25,829 --> 00:47:23,920
of the investigating officer the

1249
00:47:28,630 --> 00:47:25,839
lieutenant would have neither the

1250
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:28,640
inclination nor the ability to construct

1251
00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:32,400
this report in a wild flight of fancy

1252
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:34,240
i kind of hope that he didn't see that

1253
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:36,640
assessment afterwards right right yeah

1254
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:37,520
yeah

1255
00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:39,599
that would really bum me out if i was oh

1256
00:47:43,270 --> 00:47:41,680
we have the third actually i missed that

1257
00:47:45,270 --> 00:47:43,280
we have a third witness

1258
00:47:47,109 --> 00:47:45,280
lieutenant was first interviewed 22nd

1259
00:47:49,030 --> 00:47:47,119
march 49 he

1260
00:47:50,790 --> 00:47:49,040
uh reported that at the time of the

1261
00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:50,800
observation he had been seated in the

1262
00:47:56,470 --> 00:47:53,359
left pilot seat of the

1263
00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:56,480
f-11 aircraft does that say i'm not sure

1264
00:47:59,829 --> 00:47:58,160
uh flying the return leg of a round

1265
00:48:00,870 --> 00:47:59,839
robin cross country

1266
00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:00,880
um

1267
00:48:04,150 --> 00:48:03,040
yeah so sorry i missed that third one

1268
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:04,160
there but yeah that was pretty

1269
00:48:08,549 --> 00:48:06,240
interesting the other interesting thing

1270
00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:08,559
is yeah here's the description as you

1271
00:48:12,069 --> 00:48:09,839
talked about it

1272
00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:12,079
sausage shaped

1273
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:14,480
and that both the forward and trailing

1274
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:19,040
ends resembled a b29 nose

1275
00:48:30,549 --> 00:48:29,109
yep

1276
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:30,559
maybe uh

1277
00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:36,710
and guess where this was

1278
00:48:40,420 --> 00:48:38,800
i was off the coast california off it

1279
00:48:42,150 --> 00:48:40,430
goes to southern california right

1280
00:48:43,630 --> 00:48:42,160
[Laughter]

1281
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:43,640
absolutely

1282
00:48:47,910 --> 00:48:46,960
1949 1949 folks

1283
00:48:49,109 --> 00:48:47,920
well

1284
00:48:54,630 --> 00:48:49,119
a

1285
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:54,640
looked like two fingers

1286
00:48:58,309 --> 00:48:57,119
well two fingers

1287
00:48:59,270 --> 00:48:58,319
yeah

1288
00:49:00,790 --> 00:48:59,280
yep

1289
00:49:02,710 --> 00:49:00,800
and uh

1290
00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:02,720
and they thought that though that there

1291
00:49:07,349 --> 00:49:05,680
was exhaust coming off the back

1292
00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:07,359
right it seemed like there was some kind

1293
00:49:11,510 --> 00:49:09,520
of that there's some kind of exhaust or

1294
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:11,520
fire coming off the back there's

1295
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:13,920
illumination so in one generation what

1296
00:49:17,510 --> 00:49:15,440
you don't know what the thing is would

1297
00:49:19,349 --> 00:49:17,520
it you know what are you gonna say it is

1298
00:49:21,670 --> 00:49:19,359
oh it was obviously a spaceship and one

1299
00:49:22,549 --> 00:49:21,680
end was illuminated no

1300
00:49:25,829 --> 00:49:22,559
you know

1301
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:25,839
the guy thought it was a blimp uh

1302
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:27,520
a jet blimp

1303
00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:30,800
with uh you know some exhaust

1304
00:49:34,230 --> 00:49:32,559
absolutely that's how the brain works

1305
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:34,240
you know 100

1306
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:36,640
and this is and this is how this stuff i

1307
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:38,559
mean sean this is one of your great

1308
00:49:42,790 --> 00:49:40,720
gifts here is is and this is what more

1309
00:49:44,950 --> 00:49:42,800
people need to be doing in the field is

1310
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:44,960
is not looking for the words tic tac

1311
00:49:49,109 --> 00:49:47,119
obviously as you've mentioned many times

1312
00:49:52,150 --> 00:49:49,119
when you go back in the history but look

1313
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:52,160
for this the look for cigars right or

1314
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:55,520
look for tubes or or look you know

1315
00:49:59,829 --> 00:49:57,520
eggs eggs yeah

1316
00:50:02,069 --> 00:49:59,839
yeah absolutely you know

1317
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:02,079
all of these kinds of situations yeah

1318
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:05,760
which all go back to the in you know

1319
00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:07,119
traverse the same

1320
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:08,880
that traversable wormhole but you know

1321
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:10,800
the same time period

1322
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:13,440
um there's egg shapes like most people

1323
00:50:18,309 --> 00:50:15,680
think of that they think of uh socorro

1324
00:50:21,430 --> 00:50:18,319
milani zamora but i am just putting

1325
00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:21,440
together a folder worth of you know at

1326
00:50:25,710 --> 00:50:24,960
least i'm up to like 10 egg shape craft

1327
00:50:28,230 --> 00:50:25,720
in

1328
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:28,240
1949 you know

1329
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:29,280
like

1330
00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:31,920
it's been going on for for uh quite a

1331
00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:33,839
while at the same

1332
00:50:37,829 --> 00:50:35,520
types of

1333
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:37,839
descriptions you know so and this is

1334
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:39,520
interesting too because this is another

1335
00:50:43,589 --> 00:50:41,839
reason i really like this case

1336
00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:43,599
because

1337
00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:45,200
they actually went

1338
00:50:48,069 --> 00:50:46,079
to

1339
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:48,079
and checked with these different

1340
00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:49,520
um places

1341
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:52,000
to see if hey were you flying something

1342
00:50:55,270 --> 00:50:53,040
weird

1343
00:50:57,510 --> 00:50:55,280
you know did you have anything in the in

1344
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:57,520
the sky around here and they did they

1345
00:51:02,470 --> 00:51:00,559
not only checked you know like the 67th

1346
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:02,480
attack attack

1347
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:04,079
reconnaissance like

1348
00:51:08,069 --> 00:51:06,400
first fighter group based operations

1349
00:51:10,150 --> 00:51:08,079
they also checked commercial places

1350
00:51:11,829 --> 00:51:10,160
north american aviation lockheed

1351
00:51:14,069 --> 00:51:11,839
aircraft corporation

1352
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:14,079
um the naval air station they checked

1353
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:15,280
all of these

1354
00:51:23,990 --> 00:51:20,710
at the time of the observation was made

1355
00:51:28,390 --> 00:51:25,910
you know it's a great point that you

1356
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:28,400
know this is a this is you know that's a

1357
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:30,960
that's kind of a fair amount of due

1358
00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:33,200
diligence there right if you're ringing

1359
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:35,440
up 13 different places and getting them

1360
00:51:38,549 --> 00:51:37,200
to go and confirm go and look whether

1361
00:51:40,230 --> 00:51:38,559
they had something up there at the time

1362
00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:40,240
or not and they don't have like an

1363
00:51:44,069 --> 00:51:41,839
internet database they're not they don't

1364
00:51:45,670 --> 00:51:44,079
have to just check google drive

1365
00:51:46,630 --> 00:51:45,680
yeah they actually got to go talk to

1366
00:51:53,190 --> 00:51:46,640
people

1367
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:53,200
cabinet somewhere and then go and call

1368
00:51:57,430 --> 00:51:55,200
the other person back things were things

1369
00:51:58,870 --> 00:51:57,440
were super different back then and oh

1370
00:52:01,270 --> 00:51:58,880
one of the other cool parts that i saw

1371
00:52:03,190 --> 00:52:01,280
in there which is just it is probably

1372
00:52:07,030 --> 00:52:03,200
totally benign but i thought that it was

1373
00:52:08,230 --> 00:52:07,040
it was a fun detail as a what if is that

1374
00:52:11,349 --> 00:52:08,240
the person

1375
00:52:13,109 --> 00:52:11,359
um was trying to radio the one other

1376
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:13,119
ship that he saw

1377
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:15,359
and he actually ended up talking to

1378
00:52:21,030 --> 00:52:16,559
somebody

1379
00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:21,040
couldn't under identify who that person

1380
00:52:25,190 --> 00:52:21,920
was

1381
00:52:26,309 --> 00:52:25,200
fun

1382
00:52:28,470 --> 00:52:26,319
uh

1383
00:52:30,470 --> 00:52:28,480
you know beard scratcher right there

1384
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:30,480
yeah that's weird because he landed you

1385
00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:32,400
know the other uh

1386
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:34,800
planes and pilots that were

1387
00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:36,720
you know in the area or dispatchers or

1388
00:52:41,109 --> 00:52:38,960
whatever you'd call them

1389
00:52:44,309 --> 00:52:41,119
you go hey that was you right

1390
00:52:46,150 --> 00:52:44,319
so yeah here at the end

1391
00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:46,160
the other pilot that i was attempting to

1392
00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:48,720
contact did not observe the object and

1393
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:50,640
to my knowledge i am the only person who

1394
00:52:54,390 --> 00:52:52,170
may not well that's not the part

1395
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:54,400
[Laughter]

1396
00:52:59,670 --> 00:52:57,440
um by someone okay here we go uh i was

1397
00:53:01,910 --> 00:52:59,680
answered by someone whom i believe to be

1398
00:53:04,230 --> 00:53:01,920
this pilot but i later determined that

1399
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:04,240
although he had received my transmission

1400
00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:06,880
he had been unable to reply due to the

1401
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:09,280
interference of the unknown individual

1402
00:53:13,750 --> 00:53:11,200
who was answering me so is this like

1403
00:53:15,349 --> 00:53:13,760
some kid in his bedroom like yeah i got

1404
00:53:18,230 --> 00:53:15,359
you roger that you know it's

1405
00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:18,240
intercepting the signal

1406
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:21,200
yeah or is it or is it something else

1407
00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:23,040
bum bum bum you know

1408
00:53:26,630 --> 00:53:24,960
i uh but uh

1409
00:53:28,230 --> 00:53:26,640
you know i'm sure i'm sure that it was

1410
00:53:29,829 --> 00:53:28,240
it was just some craft that he couldn't

1411
00:53:32,390 --> 00:53:29,839
see and there's somebody else out there

1412
00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:32,400
but i love that little detail but yeah i

1413
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:34,960
mean the the shape where it is all of

1414
00:53:39,109 --> 00:53:36,720
that it makes a lot of sense and it's

1415
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:39,119
funny because you know we didn't know at

1416
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:40,800
the start of today

1417
00:53:44,790 --> 00:53:42,480
necessarily what we're going to cover

1418
00:53:46,950 --> 00:53:44,800
and then it turns out that you know that

1419
00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:46,960
we can get all the way from the wormhole

1420
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:48,800
did

1421
00:53:54,470 --> 00:53:51,119
through a tear in the sky and their

1422
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:54,480
observation of of that same similar area

1423
00:53:58,870 --> 00:53:56,319
of southern california all the way back

1424
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:58,880
to that case in 1949 that's a great

1425
00:54:01,990 --> 00:53:59,760
point

1426
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:02,000
and i think it's a we look at that man

1427
00:54:07,829 --> 00:54:04,079
we we did a great job of

1428
00:54:10,230 --> 00:54:07,839
of accidentally tying tying uh 73 years

1429
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:10,240
of history

1430
00:54:15,670 --> 00:54:12,160
together

1431
00:54:17,109 --> 00:54:15,680
man yeah yeah not bad with a case that

1432
00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:17,119
uh well i don't know maybe some people

1433
00:54:20,069 --> 00:54:19,040
have heard of but i've never heard of it

1434
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:20,079
so

1435
00:54:24,549 --> 00:54:22,319
like this 1949 case

1436
00:54:26,309 --> 00:54:24,559
it's so interesting um because i was

1437
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:26,319
really just looking

1438
00:54:30,710 --> 00:54:28,400
um you know

1439
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:30,720
through files for and i was using this

1440
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:32,240
particular word

1441
00:54:39,030 --> 00:54:34,640
i was using the word transfer

1442
00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:39,040
so i could maybe see some documents that

1443
00:54:43,349 --> 00:54:40,720
that i was looking for about when they

1444
00:54:45,030 --> 00:54:43,359
tried to transfer the the ufo program to

1445
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:45,040
a different division

1446
00:54:48,470 --> 00:54:46,079
um

1447
00:54:51,190 --> 00:54:48,480
and a couple of those popped up as well

1448
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:51,200
as you know a few cases and for the heck

1449
00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:52,400
of it i was like

1450
00:54:55,510 --> 00:54:54,000
i clicked on a few of the cases because

1451
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:55,520
sometimes you'll find papers in there

1452
00:55:00,230 --> 00:54:58,079
that are don't belong in there but they

1453
00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:00,240
could be interesting and i saw this one

1454
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:02,640
i'm like yeah and i was getting

1455
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:04,559
i was getting bummed out at the time

1456
00:55:10,710 --> 00:55:06,720
about this because i'm like man

1457
00:55:13,589 --> 00:55:10,720
all this crap i look at is like the same

1458
00:55:16,549 --> 00:55:13,599
uh like not the citing paperwork but

1459
00:55:19,510 --> 00:55:16,559
like their you know staff studies or

1460
00:55:21,829 --> 00:55:19,520
transfer documents like they never put

1461
00:55:24,309 --> 00:55:21,839
anything in there you know that that you

1462
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:24,319
could it's like oh you know there it is

1463
00:55:27,510 --> 00:55:25,839
and i remember hearing richard dolan

1464
00:55:29,190 --> 00:55:27,520
talk about this one times like you're

1465
00:55:31,750 --> 00:55:29,200
always looking for that document that

1466
00:55:32,829 --> 00:55:31,760
one document but it's just not there you

1467
00:55:36,069 --> 00:55:32,839
know

1468
00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:36,079
and i was like man it's a freaking

1469
00:55:40,549 --> 00:55:38,880
bummer and then i find this case

1470
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:40,559
and i'm like

1471
00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:43,440
it reinvigorates me like i get upset and

1472
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:48,150
you know like what the frick is going on

1473
00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:50,079
you know like how can you say that

1474
00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:52,559
there's no evidence of of this or that

1475
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:54,720
you know like when it's not just this

1476
00:55:59,750 --> 00:55:57,599
case there's like so many of these

1477
00:56:03,589 --> 00:55:59,760
pilots military cases

1478
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:03,599
and it's it's just um it has to be

1479
00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:06,000
some you know bit of uh

1480
00:56:10,549 --> 00:56:07,520
negligence

1481
00:56:14,829 --> 00:56:10,559
and um you know whatever secrets there

1482
00:56:17,349 --> 00:56:14,839
were if there were i were really deep

1483
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:17,359
absolutely absolutely

1484
00:56:20,549 --> 00:56:19,440
so

1485
00:56:23,190 --> 00:56:20,559
but

1486
00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:23,200
that's all i got for today man

1487
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:24,160
uh

1488
00:56:28,230 --> 00:56:26,400
hey i think i think we i think we

1489
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:28,240
buttoned it up pretty good for for one

1490
00:56:32,789 --> 00:56:29,359
day's work

1491
00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:32,799
uh we covered some recent uap news we

1492
00:56:38,309 --> 00:56:35,520
we we looked at a great research paper

1493
00:56:39,910 --> 00:56:38,319
that's in the news these days i talked

1494
00:56:42,549 --> 00:56:39,920
about an upcoming documentary and some

1495
00:56:45,589 --> 00:56:42,559
scuttlebutt about it and tied it back to

1496
00:56:49,109 --> 00:56:45,599
a case from 1949. i think that's that's

1497
00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:49,119
a that's a pretty good gosh darn day

1498
00:56:53,190 --> 00:56:50,799
um you know

1499
00:56:55,030 --> 00:56:53,200
we could have went farther to back all

1500
00:56:56,789 --> 00:56:55,040
the way back to airships because we're

1501
00:56:59,589 --> 00:56:56,799
talking about jet propelled blimps i

1502
00:57:01,430 --> 00:56:59,599
mean

1503
00:57:02,870 --> 00:57:01,440
we should at some point we can yeah we

1504
00:57:04,789 --> 00:57:02,880
can look at some of those old airship

1505
00:57:07,589 --> 00:57:04,799
cases you know we can go back to some

1506
00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:07,599
valet and kasabak stuff that sounds fun

1507
00:57:10,390 --> 00:57:09,520
oh and along the lines of egg-shaped

1508
00:57:12,549 --> 00:57:10,400
craft

1509
00:57:14,230 --> 00:57:12,559
one of my very favorite cases

1510
00:57:16,950 --> 00:57:14,240
um and i know it's one of richard's

1511
00:57:19,349 --> 00:57:16,960
favorites as well actually um and

1512
00:57:23,829 --> 00:57:19,359
especially his wife tracy um the

1513
00:57:26,470 --> 00:57:23,839
valensole 1965 french case um with with

1514
00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:26,480
an egg-shaped craft and occupants that

1515
00:57:31,589 --> 00:57:29,440
landed in a field of lavender it's just

1516
00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:31,599
like a really powerful and fun visual

1517
00:57:36,390 --> 00:57:34,240
but the case itself is really great too

1518
00:57:38,470 --> 00:57:36,400
like a lot of cases from the day

1519
00:57:40,630 --> 00:57:38,480
it involved a guy just out smoking a

1520
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:40,640
cigarette and then the wildest stuff

1521
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:44,160
they ever saw happened just like me

1522
00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:46,079
pretty much yeah

1523
00:57:49,510 --> 00:57:48,000
what maybe it's in the hey maybe it's in

1524
00:57:57,190 --> 00:57:49,520
the tobacco

1525
00:58:01,750 --> 00:57:59,750
don't even don't even give him the gas

1526
00:58:03,190 --> 00:58:01,760
in the in the tank with

1527
00:58:04,230 --> 00:58:03,200
that kind of talk

1528
00:58:05,990 --> 00:58:04,240
all right well

1529
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:06,000
you know thanks for doing this i really

1530
00:58:09,670 --> 00:58:07,200
had a great time with you i know we

1531
00:58:11,670 --> 00:58:09,680
didn't have uh i guess but um i think we

1532
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:11,680
should do this more often too i really

1533
00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:14,240
enjoyed it so oh me too man yeah came

1534
00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:15,839
together really naturally i loved it

1535
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:18,000
yeah it's great to see everybody in the

1536
00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:20,160
chat kristen says take up smoking

1537
00:58:25,109 --> 00:58:22,720
everyone gotcha kirsten great thanks

1538
00:58:27,829 --> 00:58:25,119
thanks kristen yeah my co-founder in the

1539
00:58:30,789 --> 00:58:27,839
experiencer group definitely a role

1540
00:58:32,950 --> 00:58:30,799
model and a leader in the field

1541
00:58:34,950 --> 00:58:32,960
i love where could people find you i i

1542
00:58:37,030 --> 00:58:34,960
was a bad

1543
00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:37,040
a bad guy and i i didn't put your info

1544
00:58:40,630 --> 00:58:38,960
in the description oh you can find me by

1545
00:58:44,069 --> 00:58:40,640
searching the experiencer group you can

1546
00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:44,079
find me by looking at

1547
00:58:48,829 --> 00:58:47,040
for experiencers at for experiencers on

1548
00:58:51,270 --> 00:58:48,839
twitter or you could also find me on

1549
00:58:55,349 --> 00:58:51,280
twitter uh under my name j christopher

1550
00:58:56,549 --> 00:58:55,359
king or at j a y c king 78 which is a

1551
00:58:59,430 --> 00:58:56,559
pretty wonky

1552
00:59:01,190 --> 00:58:59,440
uh twitter handle admittedly

1553
00:59:05,589 --> 00:59:01,200
do you only respond to people when they

1554
00:59:07,589 --> 00:59:05,599
call you by all three names um

1555
00:59:08,710 --> 00:59:07,599
no they just say hey jay king did are

1556
00:59:10,230 --> 00:59:08,720
you like

1557
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:10,240
i kind of prefer

1558
00:59:15,190 --> 00:59:12,720
you know like um i i prefer it i used to

1559
00:59:17,430 --> 00:59:15,200
just go by jk for the most part and then

1560
00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:17,440
actually ralph blumenthal was he like

1561
00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:18,640
would only refer to me as jay

1562
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:20,880
christopher and i realized that part of

1563
00:59:25,030 --> 00:59:23,040
it was for google ability and i thought

1564
00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:25,040
that that was that that was good because

1565
00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:26,640
there are a bunch of j kings out there

1566
00:59:32,069 --> 00:59:28,160
and one of them

1567
00:59:33,589 --> 00:59:32,079
runs a sells jewelry on like qvc i think

1568
00:59:34,549 --> 00:59:33,599
and another one

1569
00:59:36,789 --> 00:59:34,559
um

1570
00:59:38,390 --> 00:59:36,799
there are i think there are three guys

1571
00:59:41,430 --> 00:59:38,400
that i know of that are either in rap or

1572
00:59:44,230 --> 00:59:41,440
rnb named jay king one of whom was in

1573
00:59:46,630 --> 00:59:44,240
that band club nouveau like the 80s rnb

1574
00:59:50,230 --> 00:59:46,640
group and now he's got his own podcast

1575
00:59:52,710 --> 00:59:50,240
he's like a 60 year old dude so um it's

1576
00:59:55,589 --> 00:59:52,720
better for clarity closest i got to me

1577
00:59:57,109 --> 00:59:55,599
is sean rash who is a professional

1578
01:00:00,390 --> 00:59:57,119
bowler

1579
01:00:02,470 --> 01:00:00,400
that is not i mean as far as somebody

1580
01:00:04,870 --> 01:00:02,480
that's close to you that's not so bad

1581
01:00:06,630 --> 01:00:04,880
not bad you know not bad at all

1582
01:00:08,470 --> 01:00:06,640
all right all right thanks everybody in

1583
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:08,480
the chat for hanging out being so great

1584
01:00:13,190 --> 01:00:11,280
and peaceful i do appreciate it jay i

1585
01:00:14,789 --> 01:00:13,200
look forward to the next time we we get

1586
01:00:15,589 --> 01:00:14,799
to do this and have a great rest of the

1587
01:00:17,829 --> 01:00:15,599
day

1588
01:00:19,510 --> 01:00:17,839
absolutely you too man and uh thanks to

1589
01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:19,520
everybody in the chat and thanks to

1590
01:00:22,789 --> 01:00:21,599
everybody watching later

1591
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:22,799
peace

1592
01:00:44,070 --> 01:00:34,150
[Music]

1593
01:01:05,760 --> 01:00:45,750
[Applause]

1594
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:08,789
[Music]

1595
01:01:30,790 --> 01:01:17,170
[Applause]

1596
01:01:39,270 --> 01:01:36,789
[Music]